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PD Moderator	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2012 12:04:05 PM Ignore PD Report Abuse As many of you may know, the ethanol subsidy was allowed to expire December 31, as many of you were probably out celebrating the New Year with hats and toasting. So it has been over a month with no special subsidy on ethanol, so what's happening? Well, at my local pump, ethanol is still in the gasoline, so on that level, not a whole lot. However, the price of ethanol has risen- raising the price of fuel with higher ethanol concentrations. E85, a flex fuel that's been sold hard by domestic vehicle manufacturers, has seen a large increase in price, and has one industry leading publication asking a big question- is E85 going to die? Today we polled some of you, asking if ethanol content in your gasoline was a determining factor... Visit GasBuddy Blog for full article

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As many of you may know, the ethanol subsidy was allowed to expire December 31, as many of you were probably out celebrating the New Year with hats and toasting.

So it has been over a month with no special subsidy on ethanol, so what's happening? Well, at my local pump, ethanol is still in the gasoline, so on that level, not a whole lot. However, the price of ethanol has risen- raising the price of fuel with higher ethanol concentrations. E85, a flex fuel that's been sold hard by domestic vehicle manufacturers, has seen a large increase in price, and has one industry leading publication asking a big question- is E85 going to die?

Today we polled some of you, asking if ethanol content in your gasoline was a determining factor...

Visit GasBuddy Blog for full article

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gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,597 Points:57,185 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2012 11:40:56 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse The next subsidy that needs to be addressed is big oil! Ethanol took their hit. Let's level the playing field. Ethanol is here to stay! It will survive! [Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 3/13/2012 11:41:55 PM EST]
Edpap Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:4,491 Points:531,625 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2012 2:27:03 PM Ignore Edpap Report Abuse I actually saw E85 priced 40 cents less than regular unleaded at Sheetz in Pa yesterday. 3.39 vs 3.79
Bito764 Rookie Author Montreal Posts:12 Points:2,560 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Feb 27, 2012 9:35:47 PM Ignore Bito764 Report Abuse What a shame we have to go through all of this. What has the world become?
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,367 Points:1,850,800 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:11:37 PM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse The biggest joke is the mandate of 14 Billion gallons of ehtanol that needs to go into the fuel. So the ethanol industry could care less... that is the "Next" subsidy that needs to be addressed.
tdioiler All-Star Author Detroit Posts:933 Points:442,685 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2012 12:45:51 PM Ignore tdioiler Report Abuse it will continue to be a thinner as long as barrel oil price is up and production sources for ethanol is cheap ( read as non-corn based). Let Adam Smith take it out.
Edpap Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:4,491 Points:531,625 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2012 11:28:50 AM Ignore Edpap Report Abuse It needs to die if it can't be marketed at the right price.People with Flex Fuel vehicles were not using it when the price was a little lower...ask them why and you'll get your answer as to how long it will survive.
lesandliz Sophomore Author New Orleans Posts:190 Points:366,475 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2012 9:35:56 PM Ignore lesandliz Report Abuse Send the ethanol to the other countries, lets get back to pure gas.
gawxnative All-Star Author Atlanta Posts:510 Points:232,040 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 3:31:20 PM Ignore gawxnative Report Abuse So we need higher priced ethanol while refined product is being exported ?????
Dodge_Me Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,214 Points:577,230 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:42:40 PM Ignore Dodge_Me Report Abuse Going, going, Gone
Krykson All-Star Author Chicago Posts:840 Points:247,385 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 2:06:54 AM Ignore Krykson Report Abuse Interesting
Krykson All-Star Author Chicago Posts:840 Points:247,385 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 2:06:52 AM Ignore Krykson Report Abuse Interesting
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,817 Points:664,910 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:41:29 AM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse If the ethanol producers promise to take their product out of my gasoline I promise to consume the total quantity of their product in my daily cocktails.
Amtrgas Champion Author Oakland Posts:2,678 Points:1,645,720 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:27:38 AM Ignore Amtrgas Report Abuse Ethanol should not need a subsidy to be in our fuel.
hubcapLA Champion Author Louisiana Posts:3,905 Points:940,435 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:15:46 AM Ignore hubcapLA Report Abuse Ethanol can't die soon enough for me, it ruins engines and gives less power.
TBONE3 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:8,886 Points:2,005,100 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:15:16 AM Ignore TBONE3 Report Abuse The farmers are working hard to keep corn in the gas. I tried to buy corn free gas but can not find it in the most common brands anywhere around here. Would switch in a heartbeat if I did.
spmaudio Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,873 Points:750,845 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:14:51 AM Ignore spmaudio Report Abuse @ Bruno44: How much has your MPG increased without ethanol? With what kind of vehicle a driving patterns? And is the increased MPG saving you money despite the higher price of ethanol-free gas?
spmaudio Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,873 Points:750,845 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:13:13 AM Ignore spmaudio Report Abuse Wonder if we'll end up exporting ethanol to Brazil...
Bruno44 Champion Author Texas Posts:7,222 Points:1,796,870 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:12:57 AM Ignore Bruno44 Report Abuse Finally found an Ethanol Free station in Slaton, TX and my gas mileage has increased significantly. It is Accent station on N 20th St, Slaton, TX.
pse91 All-Star Author Calgary Posts:640 Points:581,275 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:12:19 AM Ignore pse91 Report Abuse Not to worry. The corn lobby is hard at work on this.
76chevy Champion Author Toledo Posts:4,023 Points:779,395 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:10:42 AM Ignore 76chevy Report Abuse Hey New York, is the new license plate a retro plate?
amgine27 Champion Author New York Posts:1,403 Points:334,690 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:08:11 AM Ignore amgine27 Report Abuse ok
probedude2 Champion Author Akron Posts:12,698 Points:2,408,880 Joined:Jun 2003	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:07:08 AM Ignore probedude2 Report Abuse Ethanol as a motor fuel died in the early 80's, and it can die again
Ron77095 Champion Author Houston Posts:3,205 Points:631,350 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:04:28 AM Ignore Ron77095 Report Abuse ok.
Tundralimited2009 Champion Author Dallas Posts:38,812 Points:1,447,425 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 1:02:52 AM Ignore Tundralimited2009 Report Abuse Politics
LegoVasavouchi Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:1,659 Points:114,390 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:58:08 AM Ignore LegoVasavouchi Report Abuse Fascinating.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:10,004 Points:1,641,675 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:57:55 AM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse “I don't think EPA will allow gasoline without ethanol to be sold for over the road use in cars.” Cssco, as a Virginian you should know better. Ethanol-free gasoline is readily available in western Virginia. You’re pretty well stuck with contaminated gas in the metro areas of eastern Virginia but further west there are a lot of stations selling E0, often proclaiming it with prominent signs. I have not bought any ethanol-laced gasoline for over 3 years. The rising cost of ethanol is a short-term hardship but a long-term blessing. It will serve to make E0 even more competitive on price. Watch for stations with E0 when you are out of the urban areas and buy it as often as you can. Your engine and your wallet will both benefit. Increasing demand for and consumption of E0 is the best way to increase its availability at more stations and in more areas. And lobby Congress and your Legislature to repeal the mandates for ethanol use.
must87searcher Champion Author Maryland Posts:9,126 Points:1,808,355 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:57:18 AM Ignore must87searcher Report Abuse With the conditions of today, low market, lack of employment, and high prices, ethanol is not worth it. The right idea is to get ride of it in gasoline!!
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,987 Points:1,459,425 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:56:39 AM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse We need to be post-ethanol, all right...
Rageagainsttm Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,427 Points:1,928,860 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:53:27 AM Ignore Rageagainsttm Report Abuse get rid of ethanol
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:10,004 Points:1,641,675 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:45:02 AM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse “I wish the notion that ethanol added to gas saves gas would be proved.” Whose notion is that? Exactly the opposite is true. Using the standard E10 that is sold in most areas increases overall petroleum consumption compared to using pure gasoline.
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:10,682 Points:1,887,045 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:21:26 AM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse This was driving the prices of EVERYTHING HIGHER!
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:5,609 Points:800,300 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:17:45 AM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse Interesting, but I can't determine whether it's forthe good or not.
chvytruk All-Star Author Kentucky Posts:781 Points:382,785 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:17:40 AM Ignore chvytruk Report Abuse E85 dying?? GOOD!! The sooner, the better. What a waste of resources.
Mowerman08 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:4,883 Points:1,244,230 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:17:25 AM Ignore Mowerman08 Report Abuse I wish the notion that ethanol added to gas saves gas would be proved.
kcboy Champion Author Utah Posts:4,094 Points:1,534,145 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:17:04 AM Ignore kcboy Report Abuse Interesting
cssco Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,471 Points:1,780,105 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:15:01 AM Ignore cssco Report Abuse I don't think EPA will allow gasoline without ethanol to be sold for over the road use in cars. Maybe on the high seas beyond the fifty mile coastal zone. [Edited by: cssco at 2/14/2012 12:17:31 AM EST]
gocatgo Champion Author South Carolina Posts:15,829 Points:2,558,215 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:14:43 AM Ignore gocatgo Report Abuse Subsidy or not big oil will still make record profits.
SparkieMi Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:3,407 Points:616,610 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:14:18 AM Ignore SparkieMi Report Abuse txkrb thank you for the information... Learn something every day..
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,763 Points:2,747,490 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:13:46 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse This article is pure BS and means absolutely nothing.
GigHarborHound Champion Author Tacoma Posts:2,674 Points:515,215 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:13:35 AM Ignore GigHarborHound Report Abuse Let all ethanol die!!!
TommyTraveler Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,824 Points:1,726,980 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:13:33 AM Ignore TommyTraveler Report Abuse No food for fuel.
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:7,665 Points:1,698,260 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:11:25 AM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse Time will tell.
heartbroken2010 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:4,490 Points:926,210 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:11:06 AM Ignore heartbroken2010 Report Abuse cant stand that ethanol.
emptypockets2008 Champion Author Michigan Posts:14,652 Points:1,311,695 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:11:05 AM Ignore emptypockets2008 Report Abuse OK, OK,
LoneGuy Champion Author Lansing Posts:8,620 Points:2,345,695 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:10:36 AM Ignore LoneGuy Report Abuse Ethanol from corn should never have been subsidized or created for anything other than moonshine as it was originally used. It is destroying food for people whether it is folks who live on corn tortillas or corn bread and other uses for the stuff. The corrupt lobbyist and corruptible legislators with a particular agenda make this type of cronyism possible.
Prodaddy Champion Author Houston Posts:8,521 Points:1,922,885 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:10:22 AM Ignore Prodaddy Report Abuse It still could come back & haunt us all
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:9,695 Points:1,890,470 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:09:11 AM Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse It would be interesting to see if 100% gasoline is purchased over the current gasoline with 10% ethanol. I for one would like to have the choice. Let the market decide.
kzza100 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,963 Points:599,645 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:08:44 AM Ignore kzza100 Report Abuse ok
96sc1 Champion Author El Paso Posts:8,517 Points:1,367,440 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:08:16 AM Ignore 96sc1 Report Abuse Ethanol tainted gasoline makes my Saturn's motor ping.
fieldt Champion Author Lansing Posts:4,060 Points:756,775 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 12:08:00 AM Ignore fieldt Report Abuse I agree that the clock is winding down. [Edited by: fieldt at 2/14/2012 12:08:40 AM EST]